Pedi Paws - Bad News For Pet Owners


The ad on television makes it sound so appealing, but you should "stay away in droves" from this company.

It's not that the product is bad. I suspect that it is, but that's because the company behind it is either incredibly inept or incredibly corrupt.

I tried to order from their website. They want you to enter your credit card number before entering your order, which should be one red flag. The deal as advertised on television was $19.95 for the unit, plus S&H. Send your check to Telebrands in New Jersey, they suggested, but they didn't say how much the S&H is, so that option is precluded.

You can't opt for the "special offer" which includes the "$15 value" shed-ender for free, just pay S&H of 7.95, with the purchase of a pedi-paws unit. That supposedly happens later in the process.

They have two models of the unit, the next page of the website says. The second model has a premium motor, and it's guaranteed for life - just pay S&H. It's an extra $10 for the other model. Well, technically, premium can be defined as "higher-priced". They don't claim the other motor has more power, nor that it has better bearings.

It's more expensive, but if you get anything other than a different color of plastic used for the case and that "warranty", which may or may not be worth something, they aren't telling us. This sorta reminds me of the warranty on watches. The watches are being sold for $5, and the warranty says that if you return the watch with $8 S&H, they'll repair or replace it. My guess is that their cost to manufacture the units is $3 or $4, and if they break even, shipping a replacement unit at $7.95, they've got a good chance to make a profit by selling refills.

When I clicked on the next page of the site, however, the site produced a page, blank except for the word "empty".

Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I saw that they had another site available for ordering accessories. However, if you go to that website, it doesn't exist.

I tried a phone number for ordering accessories by phone. No human there, just an automated answering computer. It's not easy to deal with that computer; few options, and the machine can't seem to be able to hear you. They say it's $2.99 for S&H, no matter how many items you purchase, and they offer refills for $7.95 instead of the $9.95 quoted on the website. They don't give you a change to order pedi-paws units, though they offer the shed-ender for $9, no lower price offered anywhere. And once you got done with the main part of the order, they make a "special offer" that you have to wait until they deliver their entire pitch before they let you say no, and then listen to another appeal for the exact same pitch, followed by another "special offer" which you have to listen through two pitches for.

I finally found their TV ad again, and called that number. Another automated answering computer. This time, instead of going into a pitch for the $10-extra model, they first start off asking if you'd like additional units, at only $14.95 each, compared to the $19.95 for the first unit. I punched the "1" button for additional units. Then they went into a pitch for the premium model, at $10 extra, each. By this time, I decided that the premium model was a tax on fools, and said no. The phone computer stopped responding, and after spending 17 minutes and 35 seconds on the phone (my Panasonic phone system keeps track of these things), I decided to hang up.

It was really frustrating for me, as you might imagine, and there was one additional number, but it wasn't being answered.

However, when I checked my mail later that day, I had an email confirmation of one pedipaws, no shed-ender, for $19.95. If you recall, my first website order was to be for one of the premium models for $29.95, my first phone call was for accessories and I wasn't allowed to order a pedipaws, and my second phone call was for 2 pedipaws, one at $19.95, one at $14.95. There was no way to determine which order got through - and got through wrong.

But there was a number on the email that I could call, in case the order was incorrect. I called the number.

The woman on the phone - I wouldn't call her a lady - told me that it was too soon for me to call, because they hadn't loaded down the tapes from the phone machine. If that's true, how did they email me the notice? It didn't faze her. She couldn't help me, she said; they hadn't downloaded the tapes yet, and she had no information on my order.

Can you spell "identity theft"? The folks at Telebrands have my name, my address, my credit card number, and there's no indication that they are acting in good faith.

If you've been scammed by Telebrands as well, please contact me - my email address is harl at canthook dot com. If we can show a repeated pattern of criminal behavior, we can use the RICO statutes against them.

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Comments

Her Boss Was Trimmed

My boss place in an order for the pet nail trimmer refills on a Thursday. On Friday her bank card was declined at the grocery store. On Saturday it was declined once more at wallmart. She called her bank only to find out the bank had froze her accounts due to suspicion of fraud. Who ever had the card number ran it at a 711 for 400.00 dollars the at a grocery store for 500.00. the card was declined there too because the bank froze her accounts on Friday when the first transition was made. It was somewhere in Alabama or something like that. My boss lives in CA. so yeah. I guess you just cant trust web sites sometimes you know?

Was That The Problem?

As much as the mainstream media talks about insecure websites, it's actually ten times as common that people steal from sites rather than sites steal from people.

My wife and I went to the Olive Garden several years ago, and "broke in" a new card, just to make sure it was working, then I stuck it in my wallet and forgot about it - until suddenly, a month later, someone made a $10 contribution to the Red Cross, followed by a $75 purchase at a gas pump a couple of days later, then purchases at WalMart and another retailer for about $400-500 each, the day after that.

All these purchases were made in Oregon. I made a 24-hour trip to Mountain View, California in 1994, but other than that, I haven't been even as far west as Denver since 1956.

It had to be the waitress at Olive Garden. They take your credit card, and disappear into the back, then return with your card and a slip to sign. It turns out that she only worked at Olive Garden that one day, for three hours, she never returned to get her paycheck and on that one day, she stole five credit card numbers.

The loss prevention officer at the bank told me that nine times out of ten, it's not a website that steals your card number, it's someone you physically hand your card to - and they are able to get the security code off the back of your card that way, too.

Usually, they make a fake duplicate of your card, rather than order stuff online, because too many criminals get arrested when UPS delivers the merchandise. They're careful to choose busy locations without security cameras. Less-busy locations might remember faces. Security cameras definitely can remember faces.

Never let the card get out of your sight. The Visa and MasterCard regulations now require that sales slips NOT be imprinted with your complete card number, so they can't get your number once you've left by rummaging through the till.

He also suggested that you might want to record your CVV number - that's the security code imprinted on the back of your card - and then put a sticker over that number so that nobody can read the number without making it very evident. That's only used in card-not-present transactions, so it's a relatively minor thing, but sometimes card numbers are stolen by kids who buy memberships at porn sites, etc., online. (If you obliterate that number, or scratch it off, some merchants might be reluctant to accept your card, but covering the number with a sticker shouldn't be a problem; you can always remove the sticker if a merchant balks, and then cover it up again immediately afterwards.)

I hope your boss has better luck in the future. Since nobody else has reported a stolen CC number or identity theft to us, in connection with a pet nail trimmer purchase, I suspect that it was someone else who scammed your boss, possibly someone she did business with weeks before.

She's lucky the bank froze her accounts. Yeah, it was a nuisance, but not nearly as great a nuisance as if someone had run up $30,000 of bills on her card!

Paid $66.94, But Got Nothing

I tried to purchase pedipaws prior to reading "canthook" I ended up with a
bill for $66.94 I have yet to receive a product, e-mail bill or anything else
from them and I no longer have their e-mail(opps I trashed it) Can you help?
do you have a phone number ? I await a response. thanks, kathleen

We don't have any information

We don't have any information that isn't posted on the site already.

Telebrands spams me every couple of weeks, but if you reply to the email address, nothing happens. There are phone numbers on various sites, but they are answered by machines, not by people.

I recommend you contact your state Attorney General. You can find his website by googling for "state attrney general mississippi" or "state attrney general north dakota" or whatever your state is. You'll probably be able to fill out a form online, which will result in them mailing you a complaint form, which you have to fill out and return by mail. (It's not a very good way to do things, I agree, but government isn't very good at figuring out great ways to do things.)

If you paid by credit card, what you need to do is to contest the charge. You need to do this in writing; there should be instructions on the back of your bill. If you paid by debit card, rather than by credit card the procedure is the same, but you have fewer legal rights. (Insert another complaint about stupid government here.) Visa and MasterCard both advertise that if you lose money buying online, they will make it good, but that's not quite true.

In the meanwhile, you don't have the PediPaws, and you wanted something to solve that problem. The Dremel tool for the purpose is pretty nice. Among other things, it's two-speed, and you can buy refills for the sanding drum locally. It's cordless, which is a plus; it's not necessarily easy to get a pet's paw close to a power outlet. It's also less expensive than PediPaws.

I've included a link so you can go to Amazon to buy the Dremel pet nail tool. One of the nice things about buying on Amazon is that you know that they will take good care of you as a customer, even if you buy from an Amazon associate. Seems like half the time when you buy on eBay, the vendor is a crook, but on Amazon, you give your money to Amazon, not directly to the associate, and crooks aren't interested in a deal like that.

The Manufacturer Writes

This is andy from Niche manufacturer company from Ning bo, China. We are
professional supply for TV products, thanks for your enquire about the Pedi
Paws. Now I quote the price as follows:

Pedi Paws: 3.85 per one, FOB Ningbo, the MOQ is 1000PCS, the delivery time is
about 15 days.

UNIT BO*:4*4*18CM
CTN MEAS:42*22*38CM
QTY:100PCS/CTN
N.W./G.W.:13.5/15.8KGS

Any questions, please fell free to contact me.

Not A Bad Idea

I don't know that there are any problems with the Pedi Paws product. My objection (and that of others) is mostly that it's being sold by a company you wouldn't want to do business with.

And if you're as stressed out by the economy as most of us, you might look at this as a business opportunity. The minimum order quantity is 1000, but the price is 3.85 FOB Ningbo. By the time you have 10 boxes, each weighing 35 pounds, shipped to the US, you're probably talking about $5,000, not $3,850.

You could sell them to pet shops. They'd probably go flying off the racks there. Or you could sell them online.

I found, when selling online, that there are people who prefer to buy from a website, rather than give their credit card number to a person who might steal it. There are other people who prefer to talk to a real, live person, rather than give their credit card number to a website which might steal it. I'd recommend you set up a website that sells the product, payable through a trusted third party (PayPal, for instance), and mention that customers can phone in their orders to you. Make the website look personal and friendly, rather than slick and anonymous, and it will help. Mention that you, the owner of the company, are the one who answers the phone during the hours of X to Y daily, and that they don't want to call during other hours.

Get yourself a Vonage account for the phone, so you don't pay business rates for your personal phone. You can set it up on Vonage so that calls to your vonage number simultaneously ring your house phone or your cellphone (or both). If you can take calls on your cellphone that way, it means you aren't tied down, babysitting the phone.

You'll want to have an account so that you can take credit cards over the phone. Talk to your local banker, as well as to the outfits hawking merchant accounts online, and look at PayPal's solution. Sometimes, your local banker offers the best deal.

I don't think a price of $20 is outrageous, and nobody will complain if you charge $5 for shipping and handling. The other outfits charge $2 extra for delivering to a residence rather than a business, so the post office is the only way to go. If you ship via priority mail, it doesn't cost much more than parcel post. Priority mail gives you free boxes to ship in, and gives you a free tracking number if you get your postage online. (You don't need to go with stamps.com or endicia, both of which charge a monthly fee. You can go to the postoffice website, pay for your postage with your credit card as you need it, and print out the postage on your printer. It's nice to use the full-page stickers to print on, but they're expensive. Another option is to print on regular paper. You can use an inkjet printer, if you use clear packaging tape to cover the label; otherwise, the ink will smear if it gets wet. Laser printers don't have that problem and they are cheaper to operate.

Let us know if you decide to deal in Pedi Paws. There are a lot of people who visit this site just for the Pedi Paws content.

A Comcast User From Florida Writes

What planet were you born? I'll bet your IQ is in the single digits! ha! ha! I'lll also bet, that if your I!Q dropped just one point, you'd be considered a "PLANT".. as well as your friends who wrote. Anyway, read your article about Pedicure:

"The ad on television makes it sound so appealing, but you should "stay away in droves" from this company. It's not that the product is bad. I suspect that it is, but that's because the company behind it is either incredibly inept or incredibly corrupt.

I tried to order from their website. They want you to enter your credit card number before entering your order, which should be one red flag. The deal as advertised on television was $19.95 for the unit, plus S&H. Send your check to Telebrands in New Jersey, they suggested, but they didn't say how much the S&H is, so that option is precluded. "

bla bla bla says Harl. (What a moron! ha ha!) .....continuing with Harl....

"I finally found their TV ad again, and called that number. Another automated answering computer. This time, instead of going into a pitch for the $10-extra model, they first start off asking if you'd like additional units, at only $14.95 each, compared to the $19.95 for the first unit. I punched the "1" button for additional units. Then they went into a pitch for the premium model, at $10 extra, each. By this time, I decided that the premium model was a tax on fools, and said no. The phone computer stopped responding, and after spending 17 minutes and 35 seconds on the phone (my Panasonic phone system keeps track of these things), I decided to hang up. "

Ok, ok enough with this moronic garble, Harl. How old are you anyway.....mentally I mean 5yrs OK maybe 6yrs old.

I couldn't believe the other morons who supposedly wrote to complain. Either all of you went to the same school (that is if you went to school), or it's possible that all of you are.....hmmm? Well anyway. I bought the Pedicure and my dog and cat love it! Had no problem with it and works just fine.

Paid, the amount stated and no more and recieved it in less than a week.

As for "Dremel" making another trimmer....well, I've got news for you idio!. DREMEL makes the Pedicure!

Why don't you and your moronic friends get some
kind of life and "much needed HELP", before you wrongly judge a very good product.

Sincerely,
~MOI~ (That means "me" in French in case you only know English. I"ll take that back. You don't even know English, otherwise you wouldn't have had any problems ordering the product......had you read the instructions!
PS: Seriously consider getting some help, will ya?

Information About That Comcast User

This comment was sent by email, rather than through the website feedback form on the site.

It was posted from lvlv ([68.62.233.40]), which is a Comcast IP in Lake County, Florida, but it had a forged return address of "[email protected]". Lake County is Tavares, halfway between Ocala and Orlando.

You will note that I wrote about "Pedi Paws" and the guy writing this is talking about "Pedi Cure". Another product advertised on TV is "Peticure". It's not clear which product this guy is talking about.

They used to advertise dogs in comic books, back in the 1950s, that were small enough to fit in a coffee cup. If you have one of those dogs, the Peticure would be OK - but the web page for the Peticure say it's intended for cats and for dogs that weigh less than 15 pounds. That's pretty small; I've known of cats that weighed 20 pounds.

And the Peticure costs $37.90, by the time you pay S&H. A third product being hawked is the "Perfect Paws" which is $29.90, by the time you pay S&H. Buying the Dremel product with the link above is $21.80, and S&H is free if you spend a total of $25 at Amazon.

Does Dremel make the Pedi Cure? No. Pedi Cure is made by "Ninghai HG Electric Factory". It's a 3.6 volt product, while the Dremel pet nail tool is 6 volt.

Just to make things clear, I have no connection with Dremel, except for being a consumer of their products for about 40 years. And my relationship with Amazon is primarily as a customer, although I'm about to list a lot of my used CDs for sale there. My initial thought was that this letter came from someone who owned stock in or worked at either Telebrands or the importing company, but the more I consider how little the guy knows, the more it appears that he's just a teenaged troll with too much time on his hands. We really need to do something about child labor laws...

Another victim, from Rochester NY, writes

Please be advised I also ordered the Pedi Paws online earlier today and was shocked at the cost of my order when the confirmation page came up.

I called the customer service number 1-800-777-4034 and talked with "Jordan" for Telebrands Customer Care (79 Two Bridges Road, Fairfield, NY 07004). My complaint to them was the website not giving you the option to edit/view order with shipping charges before confirming and requested to talk with someone to dispute this order.

She said the company is trying to updated their website to make it more customer friendly and that a representative would contact me in 48 hours to discuss my complaints. When I heard this I notified her to cancel my order if someone could not rectify this immediately.

Jordan said she would note this and will send me an email I requested confirming that my order has been cancelled. I still have not received the email and am also concerned about the possibility of identity theft with this company.

Apparently, I am not the only one who has experienced similar problems with the Pedi Paws Website and would appreciated your keeping me posted on the outcome of this company and whether you will use the RICO statutes against them.

Shipping Is No Bargain

Saw your pedipaws experience on canthook.com and wanted to let you know that I had the exact same experience.

Ordered through ONTVDIRECT.COM

While placing my order, it did not give me any information on how much shipping would cost. I opted out of the shedder for $10, but did get the filer replacement heads for 9.99 (with free shipping). Asked for my card number - stupidly I gave it. The shipping ended up being $14.98 or something crazy - it should have been 7.98, I was later told. When I called to cancel (although I, too, had gotten a confirmation email), I was told that they couldn't look up my order for 36-48 hours....I needed to call back. I called back at 24 hours, then 36 hours, then 48 hours and was told it would be 72 hours. On the third call, they did tell me that they think the shedder was ordered and that's why the shipping doubled. They also said they'd make a note on my account that I did not want the shedder and shipping should come back down to 7.98

I have not heard anything since and have not received my product. I'm hoping they just cancelled the whole order, but if a charge comes through on my credit card, they will hear from me (unless they've closed shop by then!!).

Looks like we've got a pattern going here.....wondering if you've heard from anyone else?

Tammy

Credit Card or Debit Card?

If it was actually a credit card, you can contest the charge. Sometimes, the bank will decide you're right and sometimes, they will side with the merchant. When I had a merchant account, I always told the credit card company to give the customer a refund, that it's always satisfaction guaranteed.

It kinda grated, though, sometimes. The credit card company would charge me $25 to handle the disputed charge in addition to the full amount of the sale, even though they deduct their fee from the sale before giving the merchant the remainder. One time, I shipped a specialty product to a customer, and they insisted they never got it, so I made a duplicate shipment, and they insisted they didn't get that, either, and they demanded their money back at that point. Seems to me they figured that if they could scam me once, they could scam me twice, but how many of that product did they want stacked up in their living room? They ended up contesting the charge on their card, and despite the fact that I showed receipts for shipping the product, the credit card company decided to give them their money back anyway, so I really got screwed on that deal.

If you used a debit card instead of a credit card, the bank isn't required by law to let you contest the charge. I ordered whole bean coffee from an outfit, and it was OK coffee, but it was not really any better than the stuff in the supermarket despite a substantially higher price. Oh, well, live and learn. I was surprised when another shipment of coffee arrived 60 days later. They'd charged my card a second time, for three times the amount of the original purchase.

I tried to find a phone number for the coffee company, but the only numbers I could find were answered by machine, not by real people, but I found the name of the guy who was behind the coffee company. It turns out that the new coffee company hadn't had any significant problems yet but that the guy had two previous companies that were criminally prosecuted by the Federal Trade Commission for fraud.

I followed the rules for contesting a credit card charge, and the bank said that because I had given my card number to the company earlier, for a different purchase, they didn't consider it an unauthorized use of my card if the company made subsequent charges to my card.

That was not a policy I found acceptable, so I switched banks. Then I thought about it, and I filed suit in small claims court, listing the coffee company, the owner of the coffee company, and the bank as defendants. The folks at small claims court said that because the coffee company and its owner were out of state, they couldn't serve the suit upon them in any binding fashion, but they'd accept the suit since the bank had a local presence. I paid to have the suit mailed to the coffee company and its owner, certified, return receipt.

It turned out that the bank was eager to settle the suit, giving me both the money I'd been charged, and the filing fee. I've got this coffee; do I drop it off at a local bank branch, or ship it to your headquarters or what? Drink it, they said, or throw it away; they didn't want it. I didn't feel right drinking it; I had not ordered it, and once I got the refund, I hadn't paid for it. I gave it to the food bank.

I called small claims court, and said I'd settled out of court; what do I do? They said I could either come in and formally drop the case, or if I didn't show up, the case would be dismissed. I told them to make a note on the jacket that it'd been settled, and that I didn't intend to show up, so they wouldn't waste a lot of time waiting for me.

And then a month later, I got a check from the coffee company as well. I decided that money could go to the food bank, as well.

It's fairly painless to use small claims court, at least where I live. It costs the better part of $50 to file a suit, but you don't need a lawyer. If you show up, dressed respectfully, and explain the situation quietly, calmly, and clearly, without whining or exaggerating, simply demonstrating that you've been wronged, the judge will believe you, and will rule in your favor. Usually the other side doesn't bother to show up, because they know they are in the wrong. In some states, you can include the filing fee in your damages; in other states, you cannot.

But small claims court is about the only place the average guy has equal footing with the big shot. You don't want to pull something, because it not only will hurt you this time, and the judges will remember you, and you'll have a hard time winning, the next time around. But if you're honest and you don't try to cheat the other guy, the judges will remember that, too, and you'll have an easier time, next time around.

I sued once over junk faxes, won a $3,000 default judgment. The judge told me that because it was an out-of-state outfit, that I'd probably never collect, but she personally would like to sue some of the SOBs that sent her junk faxes. Got a phone call from the fax company's lawyers several days later, and they said they'd appeal the judgment to a higher court, unless I settled for $500. I told them that if they had $1,000 in my hands within 48 hours, I'd be satisfied. The next morning, the FedEx man was ringing my doorbell. Happy, happy, joy, joy. I kept hoping that they'd send me more junk faxes, because at $1,000 a pop, I'd be happy to go to small claims court on a regular basis, but they apparently put me on a "do not call" list. Drat!

Thanks for sharing your experience, Tammy!

Dremel Makes A Pet Nail Trimmer

I just read your blog about telebrands and while I haven't been scammed by them I did find that Dremel company makes a pet nail trimmer. They are a little more expensive but then Dremel is a company that's been around for a while. I also found the Dremel one on Amazon.

Hope your identity is still safe, it's a scary world out there

Nancy Sigg

That's Interesting

I had been wondering if I couldn't just use the drum-sander accessory with my Dremel Moto-Tool.

I hate to admit this, but I have three moto-tools. I got a second one, a cheap no-brand knockoff, because I needed one for a job when I was a couple of hundred miles from home. I ended up buying a cordless one later when the cord kept getting in the way, and I deliberately spent more to get a Dremel tool that time.

A Moto-Tool is invaluable. I'm thinking of getting one of those over-sized ones, I think they're called Roto-Zip, that's sold for home improvements; I have a bathroom remodeling ahead of me, and I think it'd be very useful for that.

I put up a widget on the left side-panel pointing to the Amazon website, where the Dremel Pet Nail Trimmer is sold. I noticed that they have something similar from Oster as well. Oster used to make really good stuff. I had an Osterizer that my mother bought in the 1950s until a few years ago. It's in my son's home now; we're really cramped for space in our kitchen, and I decided I didn't use a blender often enough to justify the space. Oster belongs to Sunbeam, though, and I think both brands went downhill quite a bit in the 1980s, so I don't want to be recommending the Oster pet nail trimmer.

If you click on the widget, Amazon has some pretty nice reviews from customers who own the Dremel Pet Nail Trimmer. I read the reviews of some other pet nail trimmers on their site, and was not favorably impressed.

Thank you, Nancy, not just from me, but from the dog who owns me.

Harl

Scam?

I to ordered a pedi paws after much confusion with the web site and following conf page. Still have not recieved a pedipaws but no money has been taken from account.

Pedi Paws

Like I normally do; I researched different blogs (not just 1) when deciding to purchase a new product. After reading discouraging statements about PEDI PAWS "and" PETI-CURE and still not knowing which to purchase, which is better, whether or not I'll be one of the customers who gets ripped off or one of the customers who'll get exactly what I paid for, I simply waited.

I waited because I knew eventually the product would have to appear in stores (all AS SEEN ON TV products do). So yesterday (11/22/08) I was in a Walgreens drugs store and I saw PEDI PAWS / as seen on tv (lol). It was for sale for $19.99. I grabbed it! Finally!!!! Without any scam problems to deal with. Without any communication headaches. Also, without any WORRY! That was a major plus for me.

11/23/08 I tried it on the dog...... IT WORKED GREAT! Did I say GREAT??? IT WORKED BEAUTIFULLY! I am sooooo pleased. I let my dog sniff it (like he was getting a new toy). Then I turned it on and let my dog get use to it (very LOW noise - almost non-existent it's so low). My dog laid right down and let me do his nails. I was able to do them within, if not under, 20 minutes (I really believe it was somewhere around 10). But since I didn't watch the clock I'll give it a little lattitude. The product was powerful enough to file the nails without me having to worry about changing out batteries or the filing band. Which I was happy about because if you read some ads they will tell you if your dog weighs over 25 lbs you need to buy the larger product (which is usually a great deal more expensive!).

I have nothing but good things to say about this product (PEDI PAWS). I hope the person who researches blogs, as I do, will read this and be able to obtain an equally positive experiance. FYI - Walgreens drug stores always maintains an "AS SEEN ON TV" shopping aisle in their stores.

I used my PayPal debit card.

I used my PayPal debit card to order. After it became apparent that they were completely in the weeds at best, and engaged in identity theft at worst, I drained that account to just a couple of dollars. (My wife is very good at draining accounts; she can do it without blinking, it seems.)

I got a letter in the mail today from Telebrands saying that they were unable to charge my account, and asking me to order again, using another payment method.

Several days ago, I got a phone call from Telebrands, trying to sell me more stuff. I explained that I had such a terrible time trying to do business with them, and that I didn't want to buy anything from them, and that I wanted to cancel any outstanding orders with them, and the lady - yes, she seemed to be a lady, other than for the fact that she was making an unsolicited sales call to me while I was eating supper - said she couldn't assist me with that.

Why is it that unsolicited telemarketing calls always seem to come at supper time? It's not that I am missing calls at other times; I only give out my Vonage phone number, and it's set up to simulring my cell phone, so that on the rare occasions that I'm not home, I can still answer phone calls on my cellphone instead. Do telemarketing people all work part-time, during supper time?