Earlier this decade, my wife owned some web hosting businesses. She's not very technically-oriented, so when customers called in with support questions, I usually answered the phone. It was a hobby for me, idle hands being the devil's playground, and as an agoraphobe, I don't get out of the house often, and I really enjoyed talking to customers.
We started by building some websites that were fairly successful and profitable, but we kept switching hosting companies, because none of them were very reliable. Finally, I told Blondie that we needed to get our own server, because when we weren't online, our regular visitors would go elsewhere - and we didn't want them to decide they liked "elsewhere" better. We only really needed about 20% of a server, so we started a hosting company that catered to WebTV customers, called Paul Ding Homes. Paul Ding was a name I'd used for decades as a newspaperman, and when I went online, that name was the one I used, to protect my wife's privacy.
Better Than Nothing
I set the prices too low on Paul Ding Homes hosting. Since we were selling hosting that otherwise would go to waste, that wasn't the end of the world, but I didn't want to waste money and effort promoting it. Instead, we started a second hosting company, called Amish Hosting. Calling it Pennsylvania Dutch Country Hosting would have made for a really long URL, and besides, it appealed to my sense of humor - and presumably, that of our customers. Amish Hosting was geared to computer users, and we only offered one package, a whopper, telling customers that the whole idea was that they didn't have to worry about limits, and the price was low because most people wouldn't begin to use all they were allowed. And by asking people to buy a year's hosting in advance, we were saved the hassle of people who only buy one month's hosting because they figure they'll be kicked off the server right away for spamming, anyway.
Amish Hosting was going pretty good, and we got a second server, which started to fill up as well. We were just about to do a big promotion, and see how big Amish Hosting could get, so we got a third server. Just then, though, Domania went down.
Domania was the first hosting company for WebTV users. WebTV is like a computer without a hard drive, so sites had to be built online. The owner of Domania had died of a drug overdose, apparently a suicide, months earlier, and his mother had been trying to run Domania, and she didn't know the first thing about what she was doing. She trusted someone she shouldn't have trusted, and Domania's server was vandalized. His mother contacted me, and asked me if I could help put Domania back together, or at least grab people's websites, so they didn't lose all they had.
Swamped
I shouldn't have done it, but I worked 22 hours a day for nearly a week. Blondie asked me to give up, thinking that it was going to kill me, and her judgment was better than mine. I knew I couldn't trust the old server; the vandals might have compromised something so they could get back in. I got a new server, moved everything over to it, and went to work putting the custom software, software used to build websites right on the server, back in order. The sites were serving files, and the basic minimum editing functions were in place.
And then I went to bed, and nearly slept around the clock for the next three days. Blondie kept coming up, listening to make sure I was breathing, and kept asking if she shouldn't call an ambulance. I survived, anyhow.
And Blondie ended up buying Domania from the founder's mother.
Some Was Shredded
There were a lot of special programs on the server, files to manipulate images and music, and PDF files. They were not easy to figure out, and it took months for me to make sure that they were all running, and didn't have security holes for the vandals. I set up a forum, and did a lot of sweet-talking on the phone to keep customers happy.
Domania lost a lot of customers when the vandals broke in, but slowly, surely, they started coming back, as well as computer users who'd previously had WebTV, and were looking to have a website again.
Meanwhile, we were neglecting the promotion of Amish Hosting, and Paul Ding Homes was so marginal that we stopped accepting new hosting customers there, and was encouraged existing PDH customers to migrate to Amish Hosting accounts.
I Was Going Downhill
There's a difference between a hobby to keep busy, and being worked to death. And I wasn't working 40 hours a week, not by a long shot, but I was spending enough time on hosting that I stopped enjoying it. I wanted to cut back. PDH, though, was nothing you could really sell to anyone. Having to pay for three servers when Amish Hosting really only needed a little more than two, that made Amish Hosting less valuable than it deserved to be. That fifth server, though, Domania, was a gem.
My health was deteriorating. My doctor insisted that I stop helping Blondie with the hosting, and Blondie wanted me to stop as well. My body was telling me they were right. Blondie demanded that we sell the businesses. I ran across an ISP in New Jersey that was interested. They didn't know anything about WebTV, though, and I was afraid that they'd not be able to manage Domania. What made things difficult was that Blondie didn't want to sell the other websites, only the hosting businesses, and we didn't have any financial statements that showed only the hosting.
There were three other hosting companies that specialized in sites for WebTV users. One was run by a guy with a server running off cable. The reason nobody does that is that cable bandwidth is asymmetrical, and while stuff arrives down from the internet at great speed, it goes up to the internet at incredibly slow rates. A second one was run by a guy who doesn't seem to get along with anyone. I didn't want to deal with him. The third was a teensy-tiny hosting company, run by Burt, a guy who seemed to be fairly personable.
I asked Blondie what we should do. She said that I had spent so many hours on the phone with customers, that we had to take care of them or I'd forever feel guilty. The folks in New Jersey were happy to plunk down cash, but we made a deal with the guy with the teensy-tiny company. He didn't have the cash to buy, he said, so Blondie suggested giving Burt three years to pay off the companies, and in case he felt like the companies weren't worth enough, that third year was optional. He said he didn't even have enough operating capital. We ended up giving Burt three months before his first payment, and loaned him $1,000 for server leasing.
I Felt Satisfied
I had second thoughts about the whole thing. I was going to miss all my friends. I still miss them - although my health has improved somewhat.
One of the things that had made Amish Hosting so successful, and was very popular with Domania customers as well, was a toll-free telephone line. A lot of our customers phoned us in order to pay with their credit cards, because they didn't feel comfortable with entering the numbers into an online form. The toll-free telephone line was a lot cheaper than I thought it would be, and really worked out well for support. When a customer sends in a support form, he doesn't know how to describe the problem, and what he wants done. By the time you write back and forth to figure out what needs to be done, you spend an hour on a problem that can be resolved on the phone in 5 minutes, because you can ask the customer questions.
Burt decided against having a toll-free phone number, though. He didn't even want to publicize his regular phone number. And he told people they had to pay through PayPal. I got phone calls from concerned customers, and I suggested that they give the new guy a chance.
Server Specs
I had assumed that Burt knew what he was doing when it came to servers. They need to be tuned in order to give good performance. Moving a site from an overloaded server to an underloaded server can make a big difference. Burt started having servers go down on him, for lack of attention. It's not a time-consuming matter; it took perhaps 10 minutes per day for those five servers. If a server goes down, you look at the log file to find out why. Apparently, he didn't know that, and didn't have the sense to ask.
Domania was offering static hosting, which is to say, just files and pictures, not CGI or PHP. For that kind of hosting, you need a lot of connectivity, not a lot of CPU power. He moved things from five smaller, slower servers to a single big server - but now files were having to share one ethernet card instead of each of the five servers having its own ethernet card, all the cards having the same rated speed. I'd kept CPU load to a maximum of 0.8, with the individual servers. That's fine; it means the server is using 80% of its CPU capacity. His new server rarely goes over 0.2. Duh. And the advantage of having the CPU goof off 80% of the time instead of 20% of the time?
So you work the math. He's paying a lot more for servers. Customers can't call in their payments by phone. Instead of generating enough profit to make the payments we'd worked out with him, with some left over to spare, he's losing money.
It's Been Months
In fact, it's been about a year and a half, and we haven't seen a single solitary penny from Burt. But tonight I got a disturbing phone call from a former customer. It turns out that Burt has shut down Domania's server.
He hasn't enough customers to make Domania profitable, so he has deliberately shut down the server to, as he put it, to "get people's attention", that he needs more money.
Now perhaps I have been doing this wrong for half a century, but if you haven't enough customers, it probably isn't a very good idea to screw them over. The customers that he still has, they have paid him in advance for hosting. What do you suppose the odds are that these customers are going to encourage their friends to buy hosting from Burt?
The smallest size that Domania offered was $54 yearly, but I recently discovered that he offered a special a few months ago of 18 months for $35. If you have fixed costs, and you haven't enough customers, cutting the amount each customer pays you is going to cut your total revenue, unless you can get new customers at the lower price. But where are these customers going to come from? WebTV is shutting down this summer, and Burt has no idea how to promote the business.
It's My Fault
I cheated him, Burt says. I lied to him, he claims, in order to get him to take the hosting businesses off our hands. Now let's take a quick look at this. If Blondie had sold the business to the ISP in New Jersey, we'd have the purchase price in cash. If we'd have simply gone out of business, we'd have zero. By selling the business to Burt, and loaning him $1000 on top of that, Blondie is $1000 out of pocket. Does that make sense?
He says that Domania, Amish Hosting, and Paul Ding Homes were worthless, and I knew it, but when I suggested that he return the businesses to Blondie, he declined to do that. They've all lost customers, so if they were worthless before, they are even more worthless now, so why does he want to keep his hands on them?
The fact is, it is my fault. I should have investigated further before Blondie sold the business to Burt. I knew he was weak in server maintenance, but I had no idea how weak. I didn't bother to get a commitment from him to continue to make it easy for customers to pay him. I didn't show him how I'd attracted customers from Europe, Asia, Africa and Australia to Amish Hosting, without paying a dime for advertising. I didn't point out to him that lowering prices doesn't lead to increased consumption of hosting, when customers already have far more space than they're using. There was a reason his teeny-weeny hosting company was teeny-weeny, and it wasn't that he was a genius at business.
After Burt blackmails his customers into paying him loads of money, he says, he's going to turn the server back on. But that'll never happen. So there are a lot of Domania customers who are going to be POed at me, because I told them to trust Burt. They should be POed, because I misled them. Not that they need to be POed; I'm plenty POed at myself in the first place. I wish we had Domania back, so that we could fix it. It's not a bad little company, and it could be nicely profitable.
And the worst thing is, I promised the founder's mother that I'd keep Domania alive, as a memorial to her son.
24 to 48 hours
That's the promise from Bert, and while I still have every confidence that the issues with Domania will be resolved, there is that uneasy feeling. Good reliable web hosts are getting really hard to find these days. Geocities is shutting down by end of the year which is a shame since Geo hosted my first foray into the WWW. That leaves Tripod or Angelfire which are good hosts, but lack that personal touch of the smaller hosts, e.g., Domania, Zone, etc.
I'll keep my fingers crossed come tonight or tomorrow. Hopefully Domania will be back online and maybe our stuff will still be there. The sad thing is so many host business sites at Domania (and Amish and pdhomes) and are losing customers and $$$ because the sites are not accessible.
Sturgeon's Law
Good reliable webhosts have always been hard to find. It's Sturgeon's Law: 95% of everything is crap.
It's probably worse in webhosting, because there aren't very many people who have good business skills and good technical skills. You could argue that it good technical management skills, since you can hire techies, but I don't think you can manage technies if you don't know the technology, because you don't know when they are raising legitimate objections and when they're lying to you, because they don't want to do something. Add in the fact that one rarely sees his customers face-to-face, and online businesses are ripe for scoundrels.
I hope you're right, about Bert being back up in 24 to 48 hours. If that happens, I'll probably host for a couple of dozen friends and local businesses, which sounds just fine with me.
Domania
Paul, if Bert owes you that much money and also hasn't paid for Domania, why don't you just repo it? Lots of people are being hurt here, especially those that came over to you when DreamServer went belly up. If you can, help!!!
7. It used to be only death and taxes..
Now, of course, there's shipping and handling, too.
Making A Federal Case Of It.
In order to repo it, I'd have to go to federal court. It'd be months, at a minimum, possibly years, and by then, it's pretty much a moot point. And it'd cost thousands of dollars, and I don't have his signature, just some emails, so I couldn't be guaranteed a win.
I have a complete backup of Domania on my PC from when Blondie owned it, so I have older versions of people's accounts. You may or may not be able to get the rest of your files from google's cache, or from the wayback machine. Or perhaps you can convince Burt to send you your files on a CD-ROM or allow you to download a zip file.
Without his cooperation, I can't get my hands on the d21c.com domain, the domania.us domain, or people's individual domains, short of that federal lawsuit. I'd end up putting everyone on a different domain name, which means all the URLs are different. Boy, that stinks, doesn't it?
It would take a few days for me to get the Domania site manager software working on a new server, not because it's a big job, but because I work slower these days; I could get it working, no problem, though.
I wouldn't be willing to take phone calls all hours of the day and night, but I'd like to get phone calls. Most people have free long distance these days, though, so I don't suppose there's any point in paying for a toll-free number. What I can do is put up a form saying "Call me!" and I can return the call. Hmmm. That one better be password protected, or else jokers are going to ask me to call someone other than themselves.
But I'd be happy to hear from anyone who wants me to host their site. Or not. It's been a long time, and I'd like to hear from my friends, even if they want to cuss me out for being so stupid.
Should I send an email to everyone at their old addresses? I don't want to spam people, but I think some people would be happy to know they have an option.
Domania
I know at least one person on your mailing list that would love to hear from you. Please do go ahead and send out those emails.
I told her about your blog and ask her to try some of your old address'. She got burned badly with DreamServer and is frantic now. And she is fully paid up with Domania as it stands now. I'm using a computer, I don't know if webtv can access "Canthook". Do you know?
7. It used to be only death and taxes..
Now, of course, there's shipping and handling, too.
WebTV has trouble here.
Last I knew, this site looked terrible on WebTV, and was almost impossible to use.
I'll set up a WebTV-friendly site in the next day or two. In the meanwhile, [email protected] works as an email address.
domania
MrDing..You stated that webtv would shut down this summer.Please tell us in webtv land how you know this.you know there has been speculation for a long time.Please put us out of our misery if you know this for sure. Thank you...Becky Williams
becky
Actually, I don't know for sure.
The short answer is that I don't know when it's shutting down. All I've heard are rumors, and you know how unreliable WebTV rumors are. I wouldn't bet the farm on it, either way.
So sad. I miss WebTV. It was fun to use, and I miss the WebTV community.
ABOUT DOMAINIA & BERT
Now I do not belong to any of Bert's sites, but what I have located can be found yourself at http://dawhois.com - According to that site, and I looked them all up, d21c, pdhomes, domainia, and they are "ALL ACTIvE" and paid up until later this year and if memory serves me correct, oe will expire in 2024. Now doing the same sarch on zboxhosting, that accont is due in July 2009, which is just around the corner. Wonder if he is robbing peter to pay paul as the story goes. I mean why in the world would "paid" customers get locked out of their own account if they are paid up? I am hosted at another site and right t this mment I am locked out of my account because I have not sent my bill in yet, but everyone else can get into my site and continue to enjoy it....DUH... WAKE UP people, there is more goig on here.....me do think Bert did not pay his bill or he is for-seeing a bill that must get paid. Why is he "insisting" for everyone to use Paypal?......Why did he just lock everyone out? And why is zbox still up and rnning, that domain is due for payment next month when the others are paid in full for quite some tie and again it clearly states "active"......please visit the link I posted and enter anyone of his hosts or all of them, you may ask to enter security codes a few times but you will indeed get the information for "ALL" the servers that are in question.......They are active, not in default or suspended, hum, so why does he want money and why go after the paid account holders? Forgive any typos. Look it up and pass on to groups. Many are wondering. - granny2six
Domain names
Domain names aren't much of a problem, financially. It costs less than $10 per year per domain name to renew common domain names. You have to pay for a year at a time.
The cost of a server, on the other hand, is hundreds of dollars every month, and it's normally paid monthly. The servers we leased when running Domania, Amish Hosting, and PDHomes were about $1000 per month. The servers themselves are little more than PCs, but the price included rack rent in a data center, the services the data center provided, and the bandwidth we used. Data center rent can easily be hundreds of dollars per PC per month, which sounds exorbitant, but if you're in a good data center, bandwidth is extremely cheap. If you put a PC in your bathroom, like Dreamserver or the guy who ran into marital problems - can't remember his name at the moment- you can pay for it with one month's data center rent, but you pay a fortune for bandwidth (and you don't have anyone watching over the server when you go to the supermarket, or an inert gas fire suppression system, etc.)
We used "unmanaged" physical servers. That meant I had to manage them myself, which is more difficult but a lot cheaper, just as changing your own oil is cheaper than going to Jiffy Lube. Burt uses virtual servers, which is part of a big physical server. Virtual servers are, by their very nature, managed by the guy who has the physical server. Virtual servers work out well if you are very small, because prices start at $15 or $20 monthly, and they work out well if you're very big, and a regular PC hasn't the capacity to handle your demands. If you're the right size for a physical server, though, and you're capable of managing the server yourself, physical servers are a lot more economical.
If you're short on cash, you rob Peter to pay Paul; you have to juggle the funds. Burt told me that he deliberately turned off the server to "shock" users; I'll take him at his word, rather than assuming that the server was shut down because he couldn't pay.
Webtv Closing
Mr. Ding, you shouldn't post rumors. Your post made the rounds in some Webtv news groups and caused some worries. It wasn't until you replied to Becky that calm was restored.
Thank you,
s a n d y
Sorry, Sandy
Sandy, I can't think of anything I know for certain. Maybe I'm not ever me; perhaps they switched babies in the hospital when I was born. The other fellow born that day, though, has been dead a couple of decades, so I don't want to examine that question too closely; they may want to dig up the grave, and have me sleep there instead.
There have been a lot of webtv rumors flying over the years, and most of them have been untrue. This one, though, I can believe.
Given the economy, I expect a bunch of the dialup networks to shut down in the next few months. Dialup isn't just slow, it's expensive. Nearly 20% of the population has given up their landline phones in favor of cell phones, and without landlines, people can't use dialup networks. They can keep turning off phone lines running into the dialup nodes, but they as can't easily scale back the T-3 or T-1 line flowing out of the node, nor can they escape the rent for the wiring closet. At a certain point, the finances demand that the node be shut down - and it's going to happen with a lot of nodes, all at once, for these networks. If you have to shut down 80% of the network, realistically you decide to shut down the whole thing.
And if people have no way to dial in to WebTV, the boxes will be nearly worthless. You'd have to call a 1-800 number, and pay by the minute to use WebTV.